Why was I crossed off Shiendler's List?
Don't be so smart to think you know who I voted for or why.
At least I have an opinion.
Written by Joe Payne in 2006


Did you ever feel that you had been crossed off Shiendler's List?   I began feeling this way soon after I left Washington, D.C. during Henry Kissinger's term as Secretary of State.  I began regarding myself as somewhat of a castoff since I had chosen not to stay and take advantage of a career with the State Department.  I felt that I wasn't qualified for one thing, not having earned my degree, but then, even after earning my degree I began seeing what once was a career, slowly slip through my fingers.  

I am aware of the Jewish and Gentile, or all the non-Hebrew people , association in early biblical history and have always been told that Jesus was a Gentile, not a Jew. Now that, in a purely Christian sense has not been a factor in any decisions or how I feel personally about one person or another.  I  feel no indifference toward one or the other and point out no distinct differences in beliefs of the Christian and Jewish religions that I am aware of and would hesitate to do so with my level of competence in fear of being called anti-semantic.  I have read the following referring to Jesus, and I quote "
He was a Galilean or resident of Galilee (Matthew 26:69; John 7:41), and a Judahite or descendent of the Tribe of Judah".   Of his disciples I read "His disciples - who were from Galilee of the Gentiles, not Judea"   The Jews shouted "Crucify Him!" (John 19:15); "His blood be on us and on our children" (Matthew 27:25).

I am in some way involved in the clothing industry, textile if you want to call it that.  I am a sales person for a women''s clothing retail chain, The Talbot's, owned by a Japanese firm that imports much of it's line from overseas importers.  Most of us here in Tazewell know that the Tazewell Textile Mill, owned originally by a man by the name of Arnsteine was a substantial employer most of the 1960's and 1970's but was closed due to what I would guess overseas imports, I don't really know.  

This company, The Talbot's, at least for now, does really care about it's employee's so what I am going to say may seem a little out of line with that very fact.  The clothing industry going back to the 1950's after WWII had a strong Jewish influence partly because
almost 80% of department and chain store business in pre-war Germany were Jewish, 40% of wholesale textile firms, and 60% of the wholesale and retail clothing business and most of that business came to the U.S. and has carried into the 21st Century.  We can now see that many U.S. Jewish owned industries, especially manufacturing of one kind or another, seems to be going the way of other American industry and that is into bankruptcy or selling to larger overseas companies.   Many Jewish CEO's, arguably responsible for their companies success, are blamed for taking most of "his" company's worth with him when he leaves and leaving the fledgling Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC) to take responsibility for "his" employees retirement.  I  refer back to Shiendler's List because of the impact that and other acts of kindness towards, particularly the Jewish people because of their suffering during WWII, may have gained them favor in many industries in the U.S. with it's charitable values of democracy.  Agreeable that they are shrewd business people I feel that they at this point have no right leaving their predominately Judeo-Christian employee's "holding the bag".  Have we American's been too charitable with our hard earned freedom?

I want to quote from a cousin's husband and former Mayor of Greensboro, North Carolina.  Virginia Dare Robinson, born here in Tazewell but living in Greensboro, North Carolina since 1958, whose husband, past Mayor of Greensboro, North Carolina, John Forbis, in a 1988 interview said the following regarding both Jewish and black-white relations in Greensboro, North Carolina:
And I can tell you a thing that reassures me that things are a lot better here than most places in this country. And that includes race relations as a whole. You will find Greensboro to be a very tolerant community. I don't think you'll find a community that has a larger Jewish presence that enjoys the relations on that side of the human relations quotient like Greensboro does, and quite honestly, if we've done, probably quit jumping from bush to bush and trying to make more out of something that isn't there, we'd probably have better black-white relations than we do.

Further on he says regarding the Jewish leaders in Greensboro:

And the efforts were to simply organize the textile workers and the folks just wouldn't take no for an answer. The textile workers just didn't want to be organized. Primarily because of the Cones, some of our extremely far-sighted and progressive Jewish business people, (Cone is not Jewish) built homes and looked after their employees, much as you would your own children. It just really took extreme steps to have the employers to look after their employees. And yet their wages were not commensurate with someone who worked in a steel mill. Back in the fifties, they were making five dollars an hour to work in a steel mill—holding their breath in the eighties for thirty-eight dollars an hour, you know?


Further on he says:

The real victim I think in the process was the black community.

Well, I felt that both were using the other [Klan-Nazi group and the CWP] as a means to get their viewpoint across at the expense of the black community. The black community was caught, you know, in the crossfire. One, between the Communists who felt that they were going to be representatives of the black community and that they were speaking for the downtrodden and the underprivileged. And the Klan, who felt like they were the representatives for the white community, and they were speaking for the white community and whatever they did would tear the black community.

I think in the case, they both were sorely misled and I know they didn't—either group—speak for Greensboro. I think that's pretty much what the prevailing thought was within the community. We didn't want the Klan here anymore, we didn't want the Nazis or the Communists here. We were big kids, we could work out our problems with our neighbors. Subsequently, we think that a lot of our efforts went down the tubes because of that event. And you'd be mad too.

In closing he says when asked if " Were there any other points either during your tenureship as mayor or in general that you'd like to make?:

No. Well, you know, I think that most people would recognize that when I was mayor that if I didn't believe in what they were saying I'd work against them. I didn't care who they were. If I was in favor of it, then I would support it. As long as they were honest with me, I was honest with them. And I have to say in six years I think we pushed race relations to an all time high.

I feel that way. I don't know what kind of response you're getting from other parts of the community and talking to other people. I personally feel that when I left office last year, that race relations were better than they had been in the last, probably twenty years, since the sixties. And maybe, you know, there's a lot of things that should have.

My convictions that the Civil Rights movement was among the most important issues that faced our nation was, other than growing up in a community that tolerated the movement only because it did not have to deal with it in any progressive way.
A community who thought it would be appropriate to invite the golfer Fuzzy Zoeller to open the new community Golf and Country Club so soon after he made his remarks regarding Tiger Woods in April 1997 (This was written my me, Joe Payne, in 2006). It was the short career of President John F. Kennedy. President Kennedy was hated by a large group of people, groups that are mentioned in this page and some that are not. I want to put the following speech that President Kennedy made during the worst of the riots in the 1960's. These riots were worse than those in Greensboro but were at a much earlier time in the history of that movement. Please listen to the words of President Kennedy regarding the Civil Rights Movement:


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During the violence in Greensboro there happened to be a African American minister named Zeb Holler, Co-Chair of Greensboro Truth and Community Reconciliation Project, Retired Presbyterian Minister and Chairperson, Beloved Community Center, who was a good friend of the Forbis family. His name was Zeb Holler he gives a complete description in YES! Weekly of who he was riding with during the funeral of three CWP members in 1979. Most accounts say that the director of Forbis Funeral Home in 1979 was Lee Forbis, John Forbis's father but in fact it was John:

For his part, co-chair Zeb Holler called Young’s News & Record article “poor timing,” and said he would prefer that “there was no story at all” in YES! Weekly about it.

“I think the CWP has not only been looked at, it has been roundly criticized, blamed,” he said. “People who were part of it were fired, were in the bad graces of Greensboro and all that. John said nothing new about what had been said before. Nelson’s repented the inflammatory language. Nelson spoke in the hearings about his regret about how they came across and the unfortunate rhetoric the CWP used.”

Holler became acquainted with the Nov. 3 survivors in 1979 as a new pastor at the Presbyterian Church of the Covenant. He said funeral director John Forbis and Ken Newbold, the commanding officer of the National Guard unit called out to preserve order during the funeral of the five slain anti-Klan activists, were elders at his church then.

“I rode with my friend [Forbis] in his hearse at a time of considerable fear to help him through it,” Holler said.

The retired pastor said Young’s publicly expressed criticism unfairly casts doubt on the truth commission’s integrity.

“They are working furiously to get their report done,” Holler said. “I think we owe them the respect to get that done before we begin passing judgment on their integrity. I hope that this doesn’t sidetrack the main effort. Let’s respect one another’s opinions and await the commission’s report, but not stir up a furor that will cloud the report when it comes out.”

Zeb N. Holler is among the Presbyterian ministers, along with individuals, labor and civic organizations, who remain involved in union activities around Greensboro.

During my very early years my mother became more or less crippled with arthritis and my father decided that she needed help with the every day chores of raising two very active children, after having already raised two and seeing them both off to marriage and the armed service.  Our first baby sitter or helper was named Cotton, a very pretty African-American girl of about 18 who was loving and caring to both my sister and myself.  She was full of fun and we tried not to get on her nerves while she sat with us and worked for Mom during much of the day on an average of three days a week.  I am always amazed at some of the names that many of the black people here in Tazewell took.  Many were descendants of slaves that had the surname of some of the older families in Claiborne, Grainger or Hawkins county.  And many first names were also taken so as not to offend the predominately white population.  Take for instance "Cotton" or "Pearl", two obvious first names that have obvious associate with being things that are "white". Then there was Lula Mae who sat with my sister and myself for another couple years as we got older. Lula Mae was a dead ringer for the character "Mammy" in Gone with the Wind, played by Hattie McDaniel (pictured to the right> . -  I say this with no disrespect for anyone but just to point out the obvious to most older Claiborne County residences.  Also there were names such as "Red" Cloud which would have an Indian sound or "Scrub" Robinson or "Chalk Eye" from the appearance of the so called.   Not until I grew into an adolescent did I learn that no all the African-American residence of Tazewell were descendants of former slaves but some were of a race called "Melungeon" that came from an area known as Newman's Ridge in Hancock County. I became very well aquainted with one particular descendant of this race named Vada Goins. A wonderful lady of Melungeon heritage that taught my sister and I respect more than anything else. She spread her time between working for us and Pearl and J.M. Campbell. But just like many of us we took on names that were either biblical or handed down from one of our grandmother's or grandfather's.  So with Barak Obama we must certainly say that he derives his name from from his father who, by all truth is of Muslim descent.   In Arab culture and under Islamic law, if your father is a Muslim, so are you.  To this I have found the following which I feel most represents my thoughts:.

Two of the most important characteristics about a person are their name and their word.  In Asian societies a person is addressed by their “Sir Name” (family or legacy) name followed by the first name.  The legacy of who we are is built upon those that have come before us, and for those that follow in your name.  Each one of us contributes something to the names that we are given and the names that we choose.  What has you name on it?

There is a false sense of anonymity with Internet use, as if no one really knows who you are or that it is you.  Do you choose to have internet pseudonyms?

Why?  Is so, which of the following fit your rational:

Are you willing to stand by your name “Sir” or “Pseudonym”!  Does your name represent those that have preceded you and does it give those that follow you firm footing and a clear path to where they want to go?

Put your name on your words, then judge, what’s in a name!

  
Many of the African-Americans in this county took the name Robinson, as they were large slave owners during the time slavery was allowed to exist.  Now I must say that you will find no African-American Payne surnames in the East Tennessee area associated with the name of my progenitor, John Payne from Washington County, Tennessee.  It so happens that as early as 1801 the Payne brother John and Daniel split their families and it may have been for one particular reason and that was the issue of slavery.  None of John Payne's children ever "owned" slaves .  John Payne, although from what I have found did own land, died in poverty because of holding up on another brother, James Payne's gambling debts.  Daniel who moved to Monroe County, Kentucky along with his father Ruben did so with all the African-American slaves that any of the family may have had.  Those records are in both Barren and Monroe County historical records.

My wife, bless her heart, was raised in a Catholic family but her best and maybe only friend growing up was a Jewish neighbor.  She has many times said she would like to someday convert to Judaism but as all of us know that a Gentile can never truly convert to Judaism.  She was teased as a child, called Nazi because of her German last name, Rinker.  Raised in an affluent suburb of Washington, D.C., just off Massachusetts Avenue, Bethesda, Maryland. Her neighborhood was adjoining Little Flower School and was on Jordan Road. Although mixed culture was part of the community even in the 1960's Amy found it difficult to adjust to the rigors of a Catholic upbringing. Amy's worst nemesis was the son of Maine Senator Edward Muskie, Edmund S. "Ned" Muskie, Jr., who called Amy names and was from all indication an older "bully". The Muskies lived only a few houses from Amy. As I said her closest friend was Jewish. Her Rinker family is a proud Pennsylvania German family whose progenitor served in the Revolutionary War.  Since her parents probably did not see the importance of letting her know her genealogy she never knew and always thought that her grandmother and grandfather Rinker were the first of her father's family to come to the United States.  I think this is misfortunate and has caused her a lot of anguish throughout her life.  Not being raised in a small community like Tazewell where most all of us know our roots and did growing up, be proud or otherwise, should not be ashamed of our name.  I like both my first and last name.  That is one reason I got married on Valentines Day.  My first name Joe in the Irish sense means "sweetheart" and that is what my wife and I are, "sweethearts", to each other and to no one else.

I would not think that my Robinson cousins would ever be ashamed of their surname either, because I know all of them and love them dearly.  I am sure that it would behoove them to know that I was and am aquatinted with African-American's that at some point were in the service of their ancestor's here in Claiborne County.  No reason that there should ever be animosity between any family because of belief's that were once held have long been abandoned and abolished and are now seen as having been wrong.  

In fairness I have found the following regarding the tension that existed in Greensboro that happened the day before US hostages were seized in Iran, 1979 pushing the story off the front pages.:

In “Greensboro's Child”, we get a much harsher picture of Jim Melvin and of the city of Greensboro. (I wonder whether Melvin was so uncooperative with Zucker because of how poorly he comes off in this documentary.) Coon shows evidence that the Greensboro police were monitoring the Klan that day, taking photographs of their approach to town. With two paid government informants in the Klan, it’s absurd to suggest that the police didn't know what was likely to transpire. The contrast between documentaries also brings out some important details that Zucker’s glosses over in "Greensboro: Closer to the Truth".   Zucker refers to the activists throughout as the Communist Workers Party, and suggests that's part of the reason they were so ill-treated. Coon makes it clear that they called themselves the Worker’s Viewpoint Organization until after five of their members were killed - only then did they declare themselves communists.

The impression Zucker’s film gives is of a town that’s reluctantly facing its dark past. The impression Coon’s gives is us a deeply troubled, racist city more concerned with smoothing over the dark past at the expense of justice. I realize both of those characterizations are likely unfair and inaccurate - I’m well aware that terrific bloggers like Ed Cone have covered this situation with far more detail, subtlety and grace than I could possibly summarize in this post. I’m fascinated first that an event of this magnitude in American civil rights history could have happened without most Americans knowing about it, and even more fascinated that two excellent documentaries frame the events in such different ways.


So now in the autumn of my career I sit and wonder making $9.45 an hour on the floor of a call center working for an African-American that I hope will allow me to continue working so that my wife can have treatment for her cancer-  Why was I crossed off Shindler's List?

Update!!!! - Well I was laid off my job at The Talbots and am now drawing unemployment and paying COBRA insurance premiums. I am not saying that I was selected unfairly to be part of a reduction in work force as there were many others that also were given RIF notice. I have faith that something great will turn up real soon.

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Now it probably looks much better in color but the gray hair don't show up so much in black and white. Congratulations, looks like you have a nice new family to visit...Phillips, wonder if, no surely not related...1st cousin Henry Horton "Hank" Robinson, Jr....from the Tucker/Forbis families of Greensboro, Guilford, County, North Carolina, formally from the Henry Horton Robinson, Sr. family of Tazewell, Claiborne County, Tennessee.

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